Joaquin Phoenix and Todd Phillips Weigh In

The alternatives made at the end of Joker: Folie à Deux are arguably the most important the explanation why the movie has been so polarizing. Whereas some discover them attention-grabbing and insightful, many others find them maddening and subversive. Two individuals who do just like the ending, although, are the movie’s co-writer and director Todd Phillips and its star Joaquin Phoenix, and in a brand new interview, the pair spoke in detail about the ending.

Speaking to IGN, Phillips and Phoenix mentioned Arthur’s alternative to go away behind Joker—together with the truth that he dies, and the one that kills him. Let’s begin with the concept of what these motion pictures have been about in a bigger sense which, as you’ll learn, speaks to the one that kills Arthur on the finish of the movie.

“One of many issues that folks by no means understood in regards to the first film was, ‘I don’t get it. He visits Bruce Wayne and he’s 30 years older than Bruce Wayne. What sort of geriatric Joker goes to battle sooner or later?’” Phillips mentioned. “I don’t know in the event you’ve ever noticed the script of the primary film. The primary movie known as Joker. It’s not known as The Joker, it’s known as Joker. And the primary movie below the script at all times mentioned ‘An origin story.’ By no means mentioned ‘THE origin story.’ It was this concept that possibly this isn’t THE Joker. Perhaps that is the inspiration for the Joker. So, in essence on the finish of this film, the factor you’re being left with is ‘Wait, what’s that factor taking place behind him? Is that the man?’”

Okay, we guess that is sensible. It does additionally associate with Phillips concept of Arthur’s mindset on the finish of the movie proper earlier than he’s murdered. “I feel Arthur has discovered peace with the concept, with the battle that it’s okay to be your self,” Phillips mentioned. “And that’s actually what he’s at all times struggled with, you recognize what I imply? I prefer to suppose he died at peace in a approach being himself. The child says to him, ‘You need to hear a joke?’ And though he thinks possibly it’s [Lee waiting to visit him] downstairs. We don’t even know what’s downstairs, however that type of optimism that Arthur has, that’s nonetheless in him. He’s like, ‘Effectively, yeah, okay, in fact’ as a result of he is aware of that feeling of eager to make anyone chortle. So he provides the child that second, proper? Clearly it goes unhealthy as a result of, once more, every little thing goes unhealthy for Arthur, however I at all times suppose that’s such an exquisite second the place it’s like Arthur nonetheless has hope.”

Phoenix echoed these sentiments. “There’s a heat in that scene, which is good,” the Oscar winner mentioned. “That’s all that I used to be excited about that I used to be after, is right here’s this younger man who’s telling me a joke and he’s nervous to inform me the joke, I can inform that he’s nervous, and I’m going to listen to him out. And it’s a fairly good setup.”

So, mainly, Phillips is saying the movies are a few man who goes by way of a journey to search out himself, lastly does, and dies within the course of. Then, alongside the best way, he conjures up others to take his persona to the subsequent degree and, properly, we’ll see the place it goes from there.

In case you’d prefer to learn extra from Phillips and Phoenix, head over to IGN. Joker: Folie à Deux is now in theaters.

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